Exactly. Can nothing form a tornado in a vacuum? Of course it can.
Do I believe what I say? No, not really. I can't tell if I'm being serious.
In the immortal words of Kilgore Trout, "I won't know until I find out if life is serious or not. It's dangerous, I know, and it can hurt a lot. That doesn't necessarily mean it's serious, too."
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But yeah I see where you're coming from, I've delved into that "perspective" of thinking as well. But quite honestly, saying things like "truth itself is an illusion" is pointless. It's like asking a murderer "did you kill those people" and his response being "well, truth itself is an illusion so I don't have the knowledge to tell you".
It's a cool concept but it simply doesn't fly in real life. And if you're wondering what "real life" is, its the thing that makes you follow the rules. If you really believed such a powerful statement, I'm sure you'd be doing something other than posting on message boards for hours of your life and feeling sad or whatever. But the funny thing is, people who speak on things like "truth itself being an illusion" tend to do...well, nothing really.
In short, its cool to discuss this shit but its all based on perspective. If your life was remotely close to the way you wanted it you wouldn't have this attitude. And really that's all it is, an attitude...not an argument. Life and death are full of mysteries. But I say just enjoy the moment and worry about all the other bridges when it's time to cross them. "life is a joke and death is the punchline".
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I actually don't feel sad at all. But it wouldn't really be a problem if I did. I do feel sad sometimes. But sadness isn't such an awful emotion. It's difficult to appreciate, but not impossible.
What would you expect me to do? I don't think we have any real control over our actions, and I don't think that anything is better than anything else on an objective level. That doesn't give you any directions for life. It doesn't really mean anything at all. So, I do what I want. In the subjective sense, that is. I don't always know what I want, but I try to get it when I do. There isn't any why.
"Real life" is also nothing more than a perspective.
I can't think of a single thing that could improve my life. I really can't. If I did, I would most likely be trying to get it. But... what would it be? I like the way the idea is brought up in the Modest Mouse song Lives: "If you could have everything you wanted, I bet you'd be disappointed. Am I right?"
We create the rivers that the bridges help us cross in our minds.
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The hole in your logic is that nothing could improve your life. You need to stop fooling yourself because that's the only one you're fooling. You want more out of life (everyone does), whether you actually don't know what it is or you're just not saying what it is, the point is you do.
I myself am perfectly 'content' with life right now. At no moment in life can I ever truly complain because this never had to happen. I'd rather die the most brutal death in history than to never have lived.
Also, this is starting to get into the subject of "existing" vs "living". You sound like a guy that lacks areas of the latter. And its not about having everything you want. All I was getting at was if your life was closer to what you wanted, your attitude on the matter would change. Not to sound rude, but its the areas (perhaps socially) in life that you lack that are causing you to think this way. You lack fulfillment in some areas which causes an over-abundance of other feelings about other things as well as what you lack.
Real life is just a perspective? I agree, but it appears your perspective is oblong...
"I don't think that anything is better than anything else on an objective level." Once again, this isn't the point. Life isn't about apples being better than oranges or being smart being better than being physically strong. Sitting home alone reading a book is no "better" than going out and partying with friends (and vice-versa). The point is, there are reasons driving either of those courses of action. The reasons are what should be observed, which ties into perspective.
"If you could have everything you wanted, I bet you'd be disappointed. Am I right?"
Of course. You either want or you have (sometimes you don't know what you want, sometimes you don't know what you have). As a human, life is a steady journey. You just can't "stop" when you "have everything you want". Most of the stuff people want is stupid anyway. We want fancy gadgets to entertain us, we want sex for a temporary trill, etc etc.
Life is only fulfilling as long as there IS something you want. Trust me, living a life where you want nothing isn't where you want to be.
"We create the rivers that the bridges help us cross in our minds."
Not completely, but I see your reasoning. And by "bridges" I meant on a grander scheme. We have bridges that we cross daily/monthly/yearly but I'm saying it's (most likely) more fulfilling to enjoy the moment. It basically being in a maze vs seeing the maze from a birds eye view. You're never gonna "figure out" life, seriously. You have to basically let go of what you think you know (or don't know) instead of covering it up with the veil of nothingness.
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I don't think there's any way to prove to you that my life gives me just about everything I desire. I agree that my mind probably holds on to the belief that it wants something, but my mind is foolish. It doesn't really. It wants the idea of something.
I don't know what it would be like not to have lived, so I don't think I could make a decision on that.
I'm unconvinced. Unfortunately (as far as the subject of this discussion goes, at least), it is difficult to communicate the true essence of "me" over the internet. However, I would not blame a lack of social relationships for why I "think this way." Of course, having the refuse of human thought constantly passing through my brain might limit the clarity of my perceptions. I would agree with that.
My foresight makes it difficult for me to want something that I won't really care about. I don't need any things to make myself feel complete. These feelings are internal. I don't see any reason to force myself to want something that I would find completely empty if I was honest with myself. You don't have to want to find contentment. Wanting is just a tool. You don't need to use it. It simply facilitates the process.
Of course you can't figure out life. You can do whatever you want in it. You can have fun, struggle, achieve your desires. Or you can sit around and do nothing. I'm doing what I want to do, as far as I can tell, right now. I don't think it would be reasonable to expect perpetual contentment from life. It's almost silly to feel the need to always "feel good" about yourself, and about life, and about what you're doing. It's overly idealistic; perfection doesn't exist.
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I'm not gonna type any more long ass shit lol, so I'll just say...
-The perfection thing is obvious, why even mention it?
-Your life gives you what you desire? Interesting, what do you desire?
-When you say your mind is foolish what you mean? Are you suggesting that "you" are superior to your mind in some way?
-You say want is a tool. Isn't need also one?
As a note, I believe that you may not need "things" to be complete, but rather desire. It's not "love" that we need, it's the desire that's necessary. We don't need sex, but sexual desire. We don't need food, but the desire for it. It's not the items in the store that keeps businesses rolling, its the desire for those items. It's desire that keeps things running smoothly, without it there would be no drive for human existence.
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Do I have to know what I desire to recognize that I have it? It could be anything. I'm not sure if I know what it is. I don't think I do. I am simply aware that I feel fulfilled at the moment, and I am content with that. I don't desire an understanding of why.
I'm saying that the human brain is often contradictory and contrary to fulfillment. I wouldn't say that I am superior to the mind as much as that I don't always trust it.
I am simply my mind, I am aware of that.
Need is conditional. It is a requisite to achieve a want. You need food, water, and oxygen to survive. You don't absolutely need them. You can very well not survive. In fact, empirical evidence suggests you will not survive forever.
I'm not convinced why we need the desire. Why do we need a drive for human existence? It sounds apathetic, and perhaps it is. But it isn't necessarily pessimistic. Why do we need to fight for something? Why can't we simply accept and possibly enjoy simply existing as we are? Or not. We don't have to enjoy it, even. Why must things always run smoothly?
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